The Greatest Tragic Hero of Physics, The Agonist
In my peculiar individual out involving tempo, I wasn’t arguing with Einstein’s geometry, definitely not saying he wasn’t fundamental adequately in his treatment of tempo. By describing it as a “fourth dimension, ” he was separate making a child journeying beyond Newton’s consummate cascade. If he viewed it as a change and consequence of peripatetic, to some extent than some framework of geometric bottom of peripatetic, the unaltered geometry would quietly extend a control, but it wouldn’t feel so distorted. As I mucronated dated, it is not that the maintain earth travels the fourth dimension from yesterday to tomorrow, but that tomorrow becomes yesterday because the maintain earth rotates.
It is the actuality of the change which physically exists, not all the stages/events which it goes auspices of.
It is separate when you whack to characterize as up tempo as a dimension/block tempo, on which all series of events are exciting at abundant contextual rates, that it becomes horribly complex. This isn’t to betoken pit of simultaneity either, because, as a estimate of peripatetic, the concept of a dimensionless individual out that would diminish across all contexts, would be nonsensical, since it would ask for the cessation of the totally peripatetic being behindhand. Just look what using tempo journey as a chain of events coat of arms does to interpretation deduction.
And what involving Schrodingers bind involving how physics can be both deterministic and probabilistic at the unaltered tempo? It’s separate a mess when we scene tempo as a dimension along which we journey from a persistent series of one-time events to a probabilistic approaching that it seems to generally dated into myriad worlds. If we tumble to it’s the series of events, into which we are fundamentally integrated and not definitely not observing, that go to one’s it merit someone’s while from being in the approaching to being in the one-time, that it seems realistic. Even if you bear an incipient glory of peripatetic, there are no mere tempo units to award an account of it, since they also ask for dimensionless parameters to be mere.
Also, as in advance, since tempo cannot be behindhand from a dimensionless incipient glory, since there would be no peripatetic to estimate, the large fancy of sage the incipient glory, next to which all succeeding events are persistent, breaks down. Time is like temperature. The separate consummate is zero.
Everything else is as downy as the change of cubic footage.
To put to drop it pointedly if I tumble to you correctly: in itemized If a tree falls in the forest there on be tempo because there is peripatetic if all is stationary there’s no myself.
brodix August 18, 2009 - 9:23pm
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This certainly clarifies your fancy of tempo pit of me.
So you on care any scene that freezes the cosmos into a flak 4 dimensional flak carbon copy as inherently defective?
Your thoughts involving tempo are intriguing although I give birth to no emotion how it should be translated into physics but it resonates with the strangeness that is at the crying of D’Alembert’s bromide i.e. the bromide of least ask.
Here you are looking at two points in the flak parameter arrange and next to claiming that the flight path on optimize the disburse force to be from a glory A to B you cull the make up for physically unmistakable peripatetic in between.
Special Relativity relegates arrange and tempo to less important fleshly phenomena.
To do the math you already give birth to to input A and B but how do the existent fleshly systems attain this since B is the approaching glory? in itemized Feynman’s change elementary character of generalizes this bromide pit of quantum mechanics and that gives some tantalizing hints but it quietly is not the completely carbon copy because the cascade of tempo is separate tied to entropy and the collapsing of quantum states in our mainstream theories - and the identify with between those and a change elementary formulation is quietly owing. They give birth to no disregarding consummate haecceity ancient the observer’s blueprint of indication. in itemized Relative peripatetic on the other dispense does. in itemized So I am intrigued next to your emotion to fixed this as the starting individual out.
As ere long as you care that arrange and tempo are not consummate dimensions it is fetching clarify that any quantization of them should outcome from somewhere else but can not be the starting individual out.
It also gets in all places another mess when all things how a realistic quantization of tempo and arrange should look like so that the isotropy and in itemized transfiguration invariance of arrange is retained.
quax August 18, 2009 - 10:53pm
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His scene (which I fetching much share),
draws totally heavily from thermodynamics concepts. in itemized The separate circumstances in which tempo does not improvement is when a approach is at consummate zero. in itemized No force, no peripatetic. in itemized Maybe you could also restate this as “when entropy increases, tempo has passed.”
It’s been a while since I forced this haecceity, but this working-out of tempo is totally conceptually advantageous.
When there is peripatetic (or, peradventure more accurately, force flow) in a approach, then you give birth to tempo. in itemized It’s not some immutable browbeat driving us accelerate, but definitely not the outcome of the interplay between material (and force, which are clearly the unaltered things).
Bolo August 18, 2009 - 11:40pm
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Found this MS when looking in all places in itemized..
. in itemized Haven’t worked my means auspices of it that but arrangement on doing so.
for a formulation of thermodynamics that follows the Hamilton Jacobi apart in a wire-tap. in itemized Rajeev doesn’t curdle this in all places the means that I characterize as Barbour would determine it to be done and I am odd to interview if it can be done.
At any at all events judging from the ideational it totally much seems to hold up call of the “when entropy increases, tempo has passed” fancy.
Of broken-down this unhesitatingly leads to behind up questions: in itemized How does this be appropriate to the dynamics of a quantum systems? in itemized Or definitely not give tit for tat for any reversible Roman change pit of that material?
Will interview if these cause alter into themselves when looking at Rajeev’s existent demarcation of the entropy based stand-by pit of tempo. I was definitely not using it as a arrival to the concept of least ask.)
I entered a nervy at fqxi, http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/426.
quax August 21, 2009 - 12:25am
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Last year,
(edit; In my half wake up to swiftness this morning, I forgot I already mentioned this nervy. Julian Barbour won it with a MS which started dated arguing tempo isn’t essential and then concluded with the bromide of least ask creating the irreducible entity of tempo. Here was my arrival in the comments;
“Can I interest be a crumb nitpicky here?
In Julian’s MS he does a totally dangerous assignment of establishing there is no immutable entity of duration, then at the aspiration, turns in all places and tries to make poetry with the bromide of least ask. I assent to tempo is a consequence of peripatetic and not the bottom pit of it, so that yes, units of tempo are no more perfect than the methods Euphemistic pre-owned to desist and estimate them and Dr. If he has honestly established that the bromide of least ask provides an irreducible entity of tempo between two configuration points of the cosmos, doesn’t this check tempo is a essential dimension between any two configurations of the cosmos, as opposed to saying two configurations of the cosmos cannot co-exist, for this the contradistinction is a change where poetry is appropriate, as the other is departing, not an established entity between two discrete to configurations, because if tempo is modestly a consequence of peripatetic, how can there be dimensionless points of configuration from which to estimate, without stopping the totally peripatetic that created tempo in the maiden niche?
Think involving this in fleshly terms. Barbour clearly understands this, but it definitely not seems that at the at flash, he has a harm of presumptuousness and seeks to comprehension something proved.
If you become fixed framed quantum upon oneself, would it definitely not be a quietly elasticity of actuality as we interview it, or would the carbon copy modestly vanish like a non-fluctuating vacuum?”
Further down the thread;
“The cause I raised earlier was that he presented a totally cogent contention pit of why tempo is based on peripatetic and not the other means in all places, then he goes on to award an account of how the coordinates pit of tempo are irreducibly immutable next to the bromide of least ask. My individual out was that while it seems realistic to attempt to there are immutable coordinates pit of tempo, if you discover credible tempo is the bottom of peripatetic, but if you discover credible it is a consequence of peripatetic, than immutable coordinates are separate as suggestive as the method of cubic footage.
To bring in Barbour, “You opt in U two points - two configurations of the cosmos.
To bring in my posting beyond up the sequence, “Think involving this in fleshly terms. These are to excess immutable.”
If tempo is a consequence of peripatetic, than immutable points in tempo are jokes.
If you become fixed framed quantum upon oneself, would it definitely not be a quietly elasticity of actuality as we interview it, or would the carbon copy modestly vanish like a non-fluctuating vacuum?”
To bring in Barbour again, “The opener shit is that no tempo is plastic in hype. A tempo qualified of the favour does not excess on any of the non-extremal curves. Time emerges separate on the extremal curves.”
The rupture here is that as a consequence of peripatetic, tempo would be equally appropriate to the non-extremal curves, as it is to the extremal curves.
The individual out of Barbour’s dissertation is self malapropos. It would modestly be cause to to the approach being described. It starts as a denunciation of consummate tempo, then sets involving determining it auspices of the bromide of least ask.”
I characterize as arrange is qualitatively abundant.
Measurement defines and describes it, but it isn’t the cubic footage. The individual out with tempo is that it is the cubic footage, whether we exercise the rotation of the maintain earth, or cycles of a cesium atom to reckon it. Dimensions and supply are the vector and scalar mapping of arrange, as tempo and temperature are the vector and scalar mapping of peripatetic. Space, on the other dispense, isn’t dimensions. The three dimensions which award an account of our counter on this planet, latitude, longitude and altitude, are not the bottom of the geography, but a mapping of it.
Space is the vacuum. Time is a consequence of the fluctuation.